Comment https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12620556&cid=57323568 posted on discussion https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/09/16/168245/amazon-says-it-is-investigating-claims-that-its-employees-are-taking-bribes-to-sell-internal-data-to-merchants-to-help-them-increase-their-sales-on-the-website
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This is precisely the sort of thing that workers do in China. The workers are paid shit and view it as their obligation to make money however they can. Men in particular are viewed as pack mules whose job it is to make money for an entire family. The family ruthlessly badgers the man to make more, make more, make more. When he makes more, they spend more. It never ends.
When he can't make enough in salary, they badger him to - not exactly steal? But use whatever position he has to utilize the employer's resources to make money for his family. Typically in a situation like this some middle manager substitutes shoddy materials in a product and pockets the difference, which can and does result in harm to real people.
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I'm unpacking this quote, and in these brief lines the ranter (submitter) says so much. And drop China out of this, because this is happening in every developing country, from India to Mexico.
Men are crossing the borders from Mexico at the risk of being shot. Crossing the seas from Africa and Turkey at the risk of drowning. Leaving behind families and children. Men are indulging in corruption in India, at the risk of public shame and jail. Because families need more.
We all want more. That's a problem.
Workers are paid shit. That's a problem.
Men are often the sole breadwinners, even in economies where women's employment is accepted and welcomed. That's a problem.
Families have started treating breadwinners as pack mules. That's a problem.
Heard Fakeera speak over the weekend, just a sentence or two, about how men's behaviour is everybody's responsibility because the whole family is bringing them up. That we need to bring up our children with love. That was a mind opener for me. Made me think a lot.
@[549015220:2048:Deepika] has been working on a men's rights commission and has been the subject of vast amounts of ridicule. For what? For asking for equality?
Globalisation without worker's rights is a problem. How can a company in India pay more when it is competing with cheap imports from countries without any regulation?
Met a person recently whose marriage has fallen apart due to financial issues; but both of them make good money.
This is of course a very dangerous topic to talk about. Especially with the kind of friend circle I have :-D. I will instantly be flamed, on men's rights, worker's rights, and consumerism. From both sides. And that is because the world is now ideology driven. We all have our positions to defend. We are all committed warriors. Nuance is dead.
I do believe Fakeera has the answer. The world needs more love and acceptance.
People need the courage to stand up to their families, to society, and do what is right for them, rather than what others demand/expect of them. Families need the love to accept their children for who they are, rather than who they want them to be, what they want them to do.
Spoke to a parent earlier today about how she is not bringing up her son to just crack competitive exams. Many of us are awake to the reality that people need to be more than just money making machines.
I often meet entrepreneurs who are passionately changing the world, but are still weighed down by the expectations of their families. These people look wistfully to their peers who stuck to a job rather than chasing their dreams and are now rich and "well settled".
I meet a lot of government officials. Some work very hard and earn fame and admiration. Others enrich themselves through unethical means. Most are just doing as much as their job requires and simply "surviving" in the job.
Why is so much of the human race simply "surviving"? We could be so much more, if we didn't constantly need more.
Growing up we were taught the story of Valmiki. He used to be a highway robber, till one of his victims asked him to confer with his family if this is how they wanted him to bring in the daily bread. The family of course did not want him to rob people to feed them. Thus enlightened, he became a saint.
What if we all, en masse, "came out" to our families about who we really want to be. What we really want to do. And what we do not want to do to afford the family a bigger car.
What if we all, en masse, all over the world, refused to show up for our jobs if our employers pay shit to direct or outsourced employees.
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This is precisely the sort of thing that workers do in China. The workers are paid shit and view it as their obligation to make money however they can. Men in particular are viewed as pack mules whose job it is to make money for an entire family. The family ruthlessly badgers the man to make more, make more, make more. When he makes more, they spend more. It never ends.
When he can't make enough in salary, they badger him to - not exactly steal? But use whatever position he has to utilize the employer's resources to make money for his family. Typically in a situation like this some middle manager substitutes shoddy materials in a product and pockets the difference, which can and does result in harm to real people.
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I'm unpacking this quote, and in these brief lines the ranter (submitter) says so much. And drop China out of this, because this is happening in every developing country, from India to Mexico.
Men are crossing the borders from Mexico at the risk of being shot. Crossing the seas from Africa and Turkey at the risk of drowning. Leaving behind families and children. Men are indulging in corruption in India, at the risk of public shame and jail. Because families need more.
We all want more. That's a problem.
Workers are paid shit. That's a problem.
Men are often the sole breadwinners, even in economies where women's employment is accepted and welcomed. That's a problem.
Families have started treating breadwinners as pack mules. That's a problem.
Heard Fakeera speak over the weekend, just a sentence or two, about how men's behaviour is everybody's responsibility because the whole family is bringing them up. That we need to bring up our children with love. That was a mind opener for me. Made me think a lot.
@[549015220:2048:Deepika] has been working on a men's rights commission and has been the subject of vast amounts of ridicule. For what? For asking for equality?
Globalisation without worker's rights is a problem. How can a company in India pay more when it is competing with cheap imports from countries without any regulation?
Met a person recently whose marriage has fallen apart due to financial issues; but both of them make good money.
This is of course a very dangerous topic to talk about. Especially with the kind of friend circle I have :-D. I will instantly be flamed, on men's rights, worker's rights, and consumerism. From both sides. And that is because the world is now ideology driven. We all have our positions to defend. We are all committed warriors. Nuance is dead.
I do believe Fakeera has the answer. The world needs more love and acceptance.
People need the courage to stand up to their families, to society, and do what is right for them, rather than what others demand/expect of them. Families need the love to accept their children for who they are, rather than who they want them to be, what they want them to do.
Spoke to a parent earlier today about how she is not bringing up her son to just crack competitive exams. Many of us are awake to the reality that people need to be more than just money making machines.
I often meet entrepreneurs who are passionately changing the world, but are still weighed down by the expectations of their families. These people look wistfully to their peers who stuck to a job rather than chasing their dreams and are now rich and "well settled".
I meet a lot of government officials. Some work very hard and earn fame and admiration. Others enrich themselves through unethical means. Most are just doing as much as their job requires and simply "surviving" in the job.
Why is so much of the human race simply "surviving"? We could be so much more, if we didn't constantly need more.
Growing up we were taught the story of Valmiki. He used to be a highway robber, till one of his victims asked him to confer with his family if this is how they wanted him to bring in the daily bread. The family of course did not want him to rob people to feed them. Thus enlightened, he became a saint.
What if we all, en masse, "came out" to our families about who we really want to be. What we really want to do. And what we do not want to do to afford the family a bigger car.
What if we all, en masse, all over the world, refused to show up for our jobs if our employers pay shit to direct or outsourced employees.